[ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students

Thu Jul 9 23:10:07 UTC 2020

Hey Everyone!!
Cagle and Cana, thank you for speaking up here. I would like to mention, I
was a bit thrown off to see a colleague suggest they are not responsible
for the overall well being and educational outcomes for international
students. Elizabeth, would you mind speaking more to what you mean here? I
do not want to misunderstand your ideas.

Temptaous

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:46 PM Cana Itchuaqiyaq <croscana at isu.edu> wrote:

> Hello,
> This conversation is teetering on the edge of being on the level of some
> of the racist and xenophobic threads on the wpa-l.
>
> As Dr. Dragga notes, this memo is a great case study of technical
> communication’s effect on populations.
>
> Please do not make the professional spaces in our field unsafe for
> international scholars.
>
> In solidarity,
> Cana Uluak Itchuaqiyaq
> Tribal member, Noorvik Native Community
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:30 PM Cagle, Lauren E. <lauren.cagle at uky.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Joseph, I just want to be clear I understand you. Are you suggesting that
>> international students are gaming immigration status to the detriment of US
>> workers, and therefore the current ICE rule is acceptable?
>>
>> Cagle
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Joseph Jeyaraj <
>> jeyarajjoseph at yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:51 PM
>> *To:* Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <e-tebeaux at tamu.edu>; attw-l at attw.org <
>> attw-l at attw.org>; Kain, Donna <KAIND at ecu.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>>
>> CAUTION: External Sender
>>
>> International students currently use the OPT as a transitional period to
>> get hired legally and then, while on an OPT, apply for the H-1B to change
>> immigrations status, I believe.
>>
>> Joseph
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 03:46:51 PM EDT, Kain, Donna <kaind at ecu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Respectfully, if we have responsibility for any of our students'
>> educational outcomes, then we have responsibility for all our students'
>> educational outcomes. (Our accrediting agency seems to think we are
>> responsible.) As far as relying on international students to stay afloat,
>> that's above my pay grade. I'm concerned about the students who are here,
>> not why they're here.
>>
>> Harvard and MIT are suing:
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/07/08/harvard-mit-international-students-ice/
>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Feducation%2F2020%2F07%2F08%2Fharvard-mit-international-students-ice%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clauren.cagle%40uky.edu%7C47ffbd4dfe41478f9c9508d82441af69%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C1%7C637299211821234773&sdata=W4U0DJOI685ysLH9Asv9z3YVVp0PsA3wsPjRQ03qsHI%3D&reserved=0>
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>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Feducation%2F2020%2F07%2F08%2Fharvard-mit-international-students-ice%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clauren.cagle%40uky.edu%7C47ffbd4dfe41478f9c9508d82441af69%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C1%7C637299211821244765&sdata=GgIYDSCS5lL1fS5OZS5OaP%2F6j0xtHGOGQIKndS%2FuFu8%3D&reserved=0>
>> Harvard, MIT sue to protect international students - The Washington Post
>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Feducation%2F2020%2F07%2F08%2Fharvard-mit-international-students-ice%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clauren.cagle%40uky.edu%7C47ffbd4dfe41478f9c9508d82441af69%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C1%7C637299211821244765&sdata=GgIYDSCS5lL1fS5OZS5OaP%2F6j0xtHGOGQIKndS%2FuFu8%3D&reserved=0>
>> Harvard, pictured here, joined MIT in suing the Trump administration over
>> a rule barring international students from coming to the United States to
>> attend colleges offering only online classes.
>> www.washingtonpost.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Donna Kain, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor
>> Director of Undergraduate Studies
>> Department of English, East Carolina University
>> 252-737-2705
>> 2202 Bate Building
>> Mail Stop 555
>> kaind at ecu.edu
>> *Go English!*
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <e-tebeaux at tamu.edu>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 2:24 PM
>> *To:* Kain, Donna <KAIND at ecu.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>>
>> This email originated from outside ECU.
>> No we are not. They have to achieve on their own.  Accrediting agencies
>> require DE support services.  We have resident support services, but we are
>> not responsible for their welfare and educational outcomes.
>>
>> I believe that universities have relied too long in intl students.  With
>> the coming student shortage,   Colleges will have to cope or close.
>> Providing DE programs for US  working adults—graduate and certificate—is
>> the way to go. That’s a deep market.
>>
>> Elizabeth Tebeaux
>> ATTW Fellow/
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kain, Donna <KAIND at ecu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Those are possible explanations. However, as long as we invite students
>> to this country to study, we have a responsibility for their overall
>> welfare and educational outcomes.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Donna Kain, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor
>> Director of Undergraduate Studies
>> Department of English, East Carolina University
>> 252-737-2705
>> 2202 Bate Building
>> Mail Stop 555
>> kaind at ecu.edu
>> *Go English!*
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Joseph Jeyaraj <
>> jeyarajjoseph at yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:30 AM
>> *To:* attw-l at attw.org <attw-l at attw.org>; Dragga, Sam <sam.dragga at ttu.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>>
>> This email originated from outside ECU.
>>
>> The ICE memo likely is in keeping with the administration's policy of
>> protecting American jobs.
>>
>> The top two contributing countries for international students are India
>> (from India the number currently, if I am right, may be close to 200,000)
>> and China (possibly higher than India's) and it is the understanding that
>> many of them post graduation move on to OPT and then H-1B.
>>
>> The H-1 B is meant to bring in overseas workers for filling in jobs that
>> cannot be filled by US nationals, but American workers have argued that
>> that is not the case.
>>
>> In addition, the Obama administration also allowed the H-4 (spousal visa)
>> to be used as a work visa (possibly in 2015) and currently there may be
>> around 127,000 or so who have entered the US job market as a result.
>>
>> The above is in addition to jobs outsourced. (If I am right, a few years
>> ago IBM's biggest workforce of possibly 120,000 or so may have been India.)
>>
>> Because of Covid-19 and high unemployment levels, I think, the
>> administration has put a stop on processing all work visas (H-1B and and
>> other types as well I think, including the H-4).
>>
>> Joseph
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 02:54:08 PM EDT, Dragga, Sam <
>> sam.dragga at ttu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you are looking for a striking example of technical writing with a
>> direct impact on your classrooms, consider the memo released yesterday by
>> the US Department of Homeland Security (
>> https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/bcm2007-01.pdf
>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fwww.ice.gov*2Fdoclib*2Fsevis*2Fpdf*2Fbcm2007-01.pdf%26data%3D02*7C01*7Ckaind*40ecu.edu*7C0cecdb5772614dbbe0f508d8235413af*7C17143cbb385c4c45a36ac65b72e3eae8*7C1*7C1*7C637298191313207642%26sdata%3DUtHXM*2ByatVpQYi49SLyny7XgDxwDaCwwOL2seZhVkyo*3D%26reserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KwNVnqRv!U0PxocZt15Jl_jQL1-9Nll6uHarSbF7rkM3O8COdfpbKEhPcrYVZ1zVlrrBJhdhlPw%24&data=02%7C01%7Clauren.cagle%40uky.edu%7C47ffbd4dfe41478f9c9508d82441af69%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C1%7C637299211821254757&sdata=arlvM4cmbiOmfZXegNcrdK6zm%2FWPVTOcRFTATtmmiQs%3D&reserved=0>
>> ).
>>
>> The memo explains to college administrators that their international
>> (nonimmigrant) students musttake either onsite courses or a mix of
>> onsite and online courses in the Fall 2020 semester to remain in the United
>> States.
>>
>> In addition to raising awareness of the extraordinary conditions for
>> international students, the memo offers the opportunity to discuss clarity
>> in writing (e.g., note the 33-word opening sentence in the 116-word opening
>> paragraph but also the headings and numbered or bulleted lists).
>>
>> And given the experience of the Spring 2020 semester and the ongoing
>> COVID-19 crisis, the memo raises ethical questions about putting the
>> following key piece of information in a 63-word sentence in the middle of a
>> 151-word paragraph on page 2 of a 3-page memo [italics mine]:
>>
>> *If a school changes its operational stance mid-semester, and as a result
>> a nonimmigrant student switches to only online classes,* or a
>> nonimmigrant student changes their course selections, and as a result, ends
>> up taking an entirely online course load, schools are reminded that
>> nonimmigrant students within the United States are not permitted to take a
>> full course of study through online classes.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> Sam Dragga
>>
>> Professor Emeritus, Texas Tech University
>>
>> Editor,*Technical Communication*
>>
>> sam.dragga at ttu.edu
>>
>> 1-806-543-6099
>>
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