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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Pardon me if I’ve missed an e-mail here, but not only is this as concerning as others have pointed out, it doesn’t address the idea of abandoning one “market” for another.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">But I still do not understand how we are supposed to separate advocating for students from anything else we do, nor how international students “taking responsibility” fixes a systemic issue that
has been visited upon them. There’s nothing they can do here if universities go online; we, as part of the institution, have to advocate for them. It’s not a matter of studying harder or being more responsible.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Honestly, the way your emails read, it is difficult to take your statements as anything more than washing your hands of a “problem” demographic that has outlived its use, and I think that’s a rather
devastating view of any student group. And as someone who was an “adult” student (they are all adults) who relied on a lot of distance learning for her undergraduate classes, I cannot say I appreciate people like me discussed as the next cash cow, either.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:13 PM Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <<a href="mailto:e-tebeaux@tamu.edu" title="mailto:e-tebeaux@tamu.edu">e-tebeaux@tamu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">I don’t think we are responsive for the welfare and learning <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">but students also have to take responsibility for their <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"Tebeaux, Elizabeth D" <e-tebeaux@tamu.edu>, "attw-l@attw.org" <attw-l@attw.org><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Respectfully so, this response is dangerous and problematic. This is not a conversation on student responsibility. And I’m saddened that you are making this conversation to be so. Furthermore, these leaves me concerned about your interactions
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:13 PM Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <<a href="mailto:e-tebeaux@tamu.edu">e-tebeaux@tamu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">outcomes of any students. We can do our job as teachers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">but students also have to take responsibility for their <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cagle and Cana, thank you for speaking up here. I would like to mention, I was a bit thrown off to see a colleague suggest they are not responsible for the overall well being and educational outcomes for international students. Elizabeth,
would you mind speaking more to what you mean here? I do not want to misunderstand your ideas.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:46 PM Cana Itchuaqiyaq <<a href="mailto:croscana@isu.edu" target="_blank">croscana@isu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This conversation is teetering on the edge of being on the level of some of the racist and xenophobic threads on the wpa-l.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As Dr. Dragga notes, this memo is a great case study of technical communication’s effect on populations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please do not make the professional spaces in our field unsafe for international scholars.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:30 PM Cagle, Lauren E. <<a href="mailto:lauren.cagle@uky.edu" target="_blank">lauren.cagle@uky.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Joseph, I just want to be clear I understand you. Are you suggesting that international students are gaming immigration status to the detriment of US workers, and therefore the current ICE rule
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> ATTW-L <<a href="mailto:attw-l-bounces@attw.org" target="_blank">attw-l-bounces@attw.org</a>> on behalf of Joseph Jeyaraj <<a href="mailto:jeyarajjoseph@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jeyarajjoseph@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <<a href="mailto:e-tebeaux@tamu.edu" target="_blank">e-tebeaux@tamu.edu</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kain, Donna <<a href="mailto:KAIND@ecu.edu" target="_blank">KAIND@ecu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> ATTW-L <<a href="mailto:attw-l-bounces@attw.org" target="_blank">attw-l-bounces@attw.org</a>> on behalf of Joseph Jeyaraj <<a href="mailto:jeyarajjoseph@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jeyarajjoseph@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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The ICE memo likely is in keeping with the administration's policy of protecting American jobs.<br>
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The top two contributing countries for international students are India (from India the number currently, if I am right, may be close to 200,000) and China (possibly higher than India's) and it is the understanding that many of them post graduation move on
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The H-1 B is meant to bring in overseas workers for filling in jobs that cannot be filled by US nationals, but American workers have argued that that is not the case. <br>
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In addition, the Obama administration also allowed the H-4 (spousal visa) to be used as a work visa (possibly in 2015) and currently there may be around 127,000 or so who have entered the US job market as a result.<br>
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The above is in addition to jobs outsourced. (If I am right, a few years ago IBM's biggest workforce of possibly 120,000 or so may have been India.)<br>
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Because of Covid-19 and high unemployment levels, I think, the administration has put a stop on processing all work visas (H-1B and and other types as well I think, including the H-4).<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">The memo explains to college administrators that their international (nonimmigrant) students musttake either onsite courses or a mix of onsite and online courses in the Fall 2020 semester
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">In addition to raising awareness of the extraordinary conditions for international students, the memo offers the opportunity to discuss clarity in writing (e.g., note the 33-word opening
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">And given the experience of the Spring 2020 semester and the ongoing COVID-19 crisis, the memo raises ethical questions about putting the following key piece of information in a 63-word
sentence in the middle of a 151-word paragraph on page 2 of a 3-page memo [italics mine]:
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">If a school changes its operational stance mid-semester, and as a result a nonimmigrant student switches to only online classes,</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">
or a nonimmigrant student changes their course selections, and as a result, ends up taking an entirely online course load, schools are reminded that nonimmigrant students within the United States are not permitted to take a full course of study through online
classes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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