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<div>I just want to verbalize my support for all the international students and POC (those of who are a part of ATTW and all else as well) and say that YOU ARE WELCOME here. Collectively, as a nation and as academics, we are responsible for the well being of
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<div dir="auto" class="">This conversation is teetering on the edge of being on the level of some of the racist and xenophobic threads on the wpa-l.</div>
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we are responsible.) As far as relying on international students to stay afloat, that's above my pay grade. I'm concerned about the students who are here, not why they're here.</div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students</font>
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The ICE memo likely is in keeping with the administration's policy of protecting American jobs.<br class="">
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The top two contributing countries for international students are India (from India the number currently, if I am right, may be close to 200,000) and China (possibly higher than India's) and it is the understanding that many of them post graduation move on
to OPT and then H-1B. <br class="">
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The H-1 B is meant to bring in overseas workers for filling in jobs that cannot be filled by US nationals, but American workers have argued that that is not the case. <br class="">
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In addition, the Obama administration also allowed the H-4 (spousal visa) to be used as a work visa (possibly in 2015) and currently there may be around 127,000 or so who have entered the US job market as a result.<br class="">
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The above is in addition to jobs outsourced. (If I am right, a few years ago IBM's biggest workforce of possibly 120,000 or so may have been India.)<br class="">
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Because of Covid-19 and high unemployment levels, I think, the administration has put a stop on processing all work visas (H-1B and and other types as well I think, including the H-4).<br class="">
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<div class="">On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 02:54:08 PM EDT, Dragga, Sam <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:sam.dragga@ttu.edu" target="_blank" class="">sam.dragga@ttu.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt" class="">If you are looking for a striking example of technical writing with a direct impact on your classrooms, consider the memo released yesterday by the US Department of Homeland Security (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fnam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Fwww.ice.gov*2Fdoclib*2Fsevis*2Fpdf*2Fbcm2007-01.pdf%26data%3D02*7C01*7Ckaind*40ecu.edu*7C0cecdb5772614dbbe0f508d8235413af*7C17143cbb385c4c45a36ac65b72e3eae8*7C1*7C1*7C637298191313207642%26sdata%3DUtHXM*2ByatVpQYi49SLyny7XgDxwDaCwwOL2seZhVkyo*3D%26reserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KwNVnqRv!U0PxocZt15Jl_jQL1-9Nll6uHarSbF7rkM3O8COdfpbKEhPcrYVZ1zVlrrBJhdhlPw%24&data=02%7C01%7Clauren.cagle%40uky.edu%7C47ffbd4dfe41478f9c9508d82441af69%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C1%7C637299211821254757&sdata=arlvM4cmbiOmfZXegNcrdK6zm%2FWPVTOcRFTATtmmiQs%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" class="">https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/bcm2007-01.pdf</a>).</span></div>
<p class="">The memo explains to college administrators that their international (nonimmigrant) students must<b class=""><i class=""></i></b>take either onsite courses or a mix of onsite and online courses in the Fall 2020 semester to remain in the United States.</p>
<p class="">In addition to raising awareness of the extraordinary conditions for international students, the memo offers the opportunity to discuss clarity in writing (e.g., note the 33-word opening sentence in the 116-word opening paragraph but also the headings
and numbered or bulleted lists). </p>
<p class="">And given the experience of the Spring 2020 semester and the ongoing COVID-19 crisis, the memo raises ethical questions about putting the following key piece of information in a 63-word sentence in the middle of a 151-word paragraph on page 2 of
a 3-page memo [italics mine]: </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in" class=""><i class="">If a school changes its operational stance mid-semester, and as a result a nonimmigrant student switches to only online classes,</i> or a nonimmigrant student changes their course selections, and as a result,
ends up taking an entirely online course load, schools are reminded that nonimmigrant students within the United States are not permitted to take a full course of study through online classes.</p>
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