<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hello,<br>I have not taught hard copy markup except as a historical footnote. All the industry folks I talk to say that it is a lost art. <br>We do one or two exercises in HC markup early in the semester, but then I use it as a transition into how it was important but now nobody can read it. And someone always says, "Well, what can they read?" <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large">We then dive into Word, Google Docs, and Adobe DC tools with that audience focus.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:large">Best,<br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:"Brush Script MT""><img src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4xyh-IxB4JhLCrtIfjpCpFWBlUMP9mOXgyGa3_aordUYBWU8S8b8zU3WZDkdhv9D3UEftLbKwc" width="200" height="37"><br></span></font><span style="font-size:16pt"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:46 PM Robert Irish <<a href="mailto:r.irish@utoronto.ca">r.irish@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I don’t actually teach technical editing, but I was wondering (and Caleb’s comment reinforced my question): is there some value to the tactile paper experience? Are students at risk of what McLuhan called ‘auto-amputation’, such that the skill itself will be
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 5, 2023, at 4:41 PM, Caleb James <<a href="mailto:caleb.james@maine.edu" target="_blank">caleb.james@maine.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I direct students to the textbook chapter on hard copy markup, but I don't teach it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">As an editor in practice, I'll mark up hard copy at a coffee shop or something, but it's for myself and not a client. I transfer it to an electronic copy soon after. It is extra work, but it can be a therapeutic
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<div dir="auto">When I taught technical editing (as a five week summer course—it was brutal) I skipped hard copy since we were online. I focused more on electronic editing, editing guidelines and contract instead since my students wanted more of that. </div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi Jonathan,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I'm in the same boat having taught hard-copy markup in the past but wondering whether I should keep doing it.
<span style="font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">There are many other things I'd like to prioritize in my course this semester (for example, I'm thinking through how to include a unit on editing AI-assisted/generated writing)</span>, so I'm leaning
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<div>Hi, colleagues.<br>
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I have a question, and I'd like your input.<br>
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I'm updating my Technical Editing class, and I'm pondering whether to <br>
keep or cut the unit on hard-copy markup. I taught this unit in years <br>
past to good effect, but now that most editing is done electronically, I <br>
wonder if hard-copy markup is a dead skill.<br>
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If you were to (or if you actually do) teach a course on technical <br>
editing, would you teach hard-copy markup?<br>
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Associate Professor of Technical Communication<br>
Department of Technical Communication & Interactive Design<br>
Kennesaw State University<br>
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