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If I were teaching a technical editing class, I would make sure my students had both skills for their editing toolboxes. They wouldn't have to do
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<div>I don’t actually teach technical editing, but I was wondering (and Caleb’s comment reinforced my question): is there some value to the tactile paper experience? Are students at risk of what McLuhan called ‘auto-amputation’, such that the skill itself will
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I direct students to the textbook chapter on hard copy markup, but I don't teach it.</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:large">As an editor in practice, I'll mark up hard copy at a coffee shop or something, but it's for myself and not a client. I transfer it to an electronic copy soon after. It is extra work, but it can be a therapeutic
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<div dir="auto">When I taught technical editing (as a five week summer course—it was brutal) I skipped hard copy since we were online. I focused more on electronic editing, editing guidelines and contract instead since my students wanted more of that. </div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi Jonathan,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I'm in the same boat having taught hard-copy markup in the past but wondering whether I should keep doing it.
<span style="font-size:12pt; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">There are many other things I'd like to prioritize in my course this semester (for example, I'm thinking through how to include a unit on editing AI-assisted/generated writing)</span>, so I'm leaning
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hope that helps,</span></div>
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<div>Hi, colleagues.<br>
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I have a question, and I'd like your input.<br>
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I'm updating my Technical Editing class, and I'm pondering whether to <br>
keep or cut the unit on hard-copy markup. I taught this unit in years <br>
past to good effect, but now that most editing is done electronically, I <br>
wonder if hard-copy markup is a dead skill.<br>
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If you were to (or if you actually do) teach a course on technical <br>
editing, would you teach hard-copy markup?<br>
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Thanks in advance for your thoughts.<br>
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Jonathan Arnett<br>
Associate Professor of Technical Communication<br>
Department of Technical Communication & Interactive Design<br>
Kennesaw State University<br>
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