<div dir="ltr">Dear All,<div><br></div><div>I have been following the conversation and just wanted to add that depending on the group of students I'm working with I like to incorporate hardcopy activities to in-class time. Recently my students are grammar-nerds and love to get into the weeds of editing so I use in-class time to let them get this energy out and then as we discuss it. We never get assigned computer classrooms so for the sake accessibility I bring in hard copy exercises (usually from the aforementioned Copyeditors Workbook which our library has available online). So while I don't have a unit on handwritten editing, we read the chapter early in the semester and then practice it throughout the semester because as other folks have said for the most part everything is being done digitally and while some folks who have been editing are still doing hard copy, most new folks being hired are not expected to do so. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to everyone adding to the convo and for the resources being shared.</div><div><br></div><div>-Victor </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 12:03 PM Grover, Stephen <<a href="mailto:david.grover@park.edu">david.grover@park.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5584124847275006284">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I also teach a professional and technical editing class, and I also use
<i>The Copyeditor’s Handbook</i> along with <i>The Copyeditor’s Workbook</i> as key texts in the class. I echo others that the discussion of on-page and on-screen editing in those books is useful, and will add that the
<i>Workbook</i> has a good exercise for handwritten editing with an excellent answer key that students can check their work against (I have scans of this if anyone would like to see it).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Because my class is listed at the 200-level, is so condensed (8 weeks, fully asynchronous), and is meant to serve students from lots of majors,
<i>The Copyeditor’s Handbook/Workbook</i> is the only instruction and practice students get with handwritten editing in my class. The rest of the class focuses on on-screen editing and collaboration, mostly over Google Docs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">One other thing that might be of use to you, Jonathan, as you redevelop your course, and to others who teach this. In developing my own course for asynchronous delivery, I ended up writing several short articles
on editing-related topics that I couldn’t find good readings for, and I published them on my open-educational resource site, Grover’s English, in the
<a href="http://groversenglish.com/technicalcommunication.php" target="_blank">“Technical Communication”</a> section:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="m_3827558012919020494MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">“Types of Editing”</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> lays out for students the different major branches of the editing profession and discusses
what employment looks like in each.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_3827558012919020494MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">“Levels of Edit”</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> is a brief and accessible introduction to the concept of editing levels and how I, as a
working editor, use them.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_3827558012919020494MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">“The Editorial Mindset”
</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt">attempts to describe the cognitive space editors inhabit when working and gives several tips students can use to develop their own mindsets.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_3827558012919020494MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">“How I Accidentally Became an Editor”</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> describes my own path to the profession (with a funny story about
how I learned the proofreaders’ marks to fake my way into a job!) as an example of the often sideways nature of finding a career.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_3827558012919020494MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">“Transmittal Letter Tips”
</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt">presents two real-life transmittal letters I sent to clients and discusses how and why they work.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_3827558012919020494MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">“Editing with an In-House Style”
</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt">explains what an in-house style is and how it is usually built from a broad foundation (like Chicago) with ever more specific layers to serve house needs.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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I have a question, and I'd like your input.<br>
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I'm updating my Technical Editing class, and I'm pondering whether to <br>
keep or cut the unit on hard-copy markup. I taught this unit in years <br>
past to good effect, but now that most editing is done electronically, I <br>
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If you were to (or if you actually do) teach a course on technical <br>
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