[ATTW-L] ATTW-L Digest, Vol 28, Issue 44

Tue Jul 14 18:32:18 UTC 2020

Hello all,

I too add my voice to those speaking against practices rooted in systemic
racism and systemic xenophobia. I agree with Derek's thoughts: I am
listening, and trying to apply actions in the local spaces where I am
placed.

(I apologize for the lateness of this message; I have been away from email.)

Stephen Carradini
Assistant Professor, Technical Communication program
College of Integrative Sciences and Arts
Arizona State University

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On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:27 PM Derek Ross <derek.ross at auburn.edu> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
>
>
> I’m generally pretty quiet on here, but this doesn’t seem like the time
> for silence. I add my voice to those who are calling out practices rooted
> in systemic racism, and add my voice to those calling for an increased
> recognition of our ethical responsibilities (here and in our other social
> spaces). I wanted to make sure that anyone that needs it knows that I’m
> listening, and I’m here, and I’m trying to apply what I know already, and
> what I’m learning as I listen, to the programs I administer and the
> publication I edit.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your brave, vibrant voices.
>
>
>
> In solidarity,
>
>
>
> Derek
>
>
>
> Derek G. Ross
>
> Professor, Department of English
>
> Editor, *Communication Design Quarterly
> <https://sigdoc.acm.org/publication/>*
>
> Co-Director, Laboratory for Usability, Communication, Interaction, and
> Accessibility <http://cla.auburn.edu/lucia/>
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> *From: *ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of "Hart-Davidson,
> William" <hartdav2 at msu.edu>
> *Date: *Friday, July 10, 2020 at 2:07 PM
> *To: *"Jones, Natasha" <jonesn30 at msu.edu>, "attw-l at attw.org" <
> attw-l at attw.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [ATTW-L] ATTW-L Digest, Vol 28, Issue 44
>
>
>
> Thanks to Natasha, Angela, and all of the other voices here for
> reiterating our ethical and student-centered commitments. I've been
> thinking about them in light of a request I saw recently for materials that
> would be appropriate for teaching ethics in TC.
>
>
>
> One thing we do in TC is engage students in learning to analyze and
> respond to the ways scientific or technical evidence is used (and misused)
> in making policy arguments. When we do that, we don't shy away from the
> material harm that communication can do. Indeed, we aim to help students
> recognize those possibilities and to take steps to prevent harm. These are
> moments when, as Steve Katz and others have taught us, what is "good"
> (writing) and what is "Good" intersect and can be in conflict.
>
>
>
> Sam shared the ICE memo with just that sort of idea in mind: we are living
> through a situation that these TC case studies are meant to help us respond
> to. We now have two other documents in the public record that are worth
> looking at.
>
>
>
> One is the lawsuit brought by MIT & Harvard to which my university and
> many others have joined via amicus brief makes the case for immediate
> injunctive relief.
>
>
> http://orgchart.mit.edu/sites/default/files/reports/20200708-Harvard-MIT-Complaint-Injunctive-Relief.pdf
>
>
>
> And the other is a letter from 99 members of congress to DHS.
>
>
> https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2020.07.09%20Letter%20to%20ICE%20and%20DHS%20re.%20international%20students%20taking%20online%20classes%20being%20able%20to%20stay%20in%20U.S_3.pdf
>
>
>
> My sense from reading these two together withe ICE Broadcast Memo is that
> any analysis of the policy guidance issued last week would be inadequate if
> it did not point out the inherent bad faith involved in the agency
> reversing *its own directives* from the Spring regarding visa status a)
> without any notice and b) without any rationale that speaks to the prior
> guidance. This is the very definition of arbitrary and capricious.
>
>
>
> Visa restrictions that limit or prohibit students' enrollment in online
> learning were relaxed in the Spring to allow schools moving instruction
> online to contain COVID-19 outbreaks. The conditions we face today are
> WORSE than those in March. Moreover, the status in individual states and
> regions varies widely. Thus, the need for flexibility to serve students
> while responding to public health conditions is, by any data-informed view,
> *greater* than before.
>
>
>
> Given these conditions, the new ICE guidance is bad policy on its face in
> that it contradicts the logic and evidence that prior guidance was grounded
> upon.
>
>
>
> But, of course, its worse than that. Because the reason we are in a worse
> situation now than in March is due to a lack of federal coordination and
> action to contain the spread of the virus. That makes the new guidance not
> just bad policy, but bad faith.
>
>
>
> And, of course, it gets still worse. So bad that prior to this historical
> moment, perhaps, it would be a stretch to include the original memo and all
> of its context, including the tweets by POTUS, in a case on policy ethics
> because it is hard to believe it could be bad in ALL the ways it is bad.
> But it is. Like Steve Katz "Ethics of Expediency" Bad with a capital B.
>
>
>
> This policy is by all evidence an attempt to deliberately hurt
> international students.
>
>
>
> We teach Katz's work to prepare students for moments like the one we are
> in. To recognize bad policy, bad faith, and bad ethics and to take action
> to do the right things. I am heartened and inspired to see so many here
> rise to the moment.  Thank you.
>
>
>
> -Bill H-D
>
>
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> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Jones, Natasha <
> jonesn30 at msu.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 1:48 PM
> *To:* attw-l at attw.org <attw-l at attw.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] ATTW-L Digest, Vol 28, Issue 44
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Sweta, thank you for your words and I acknowledge the emotional and
> intellectual labor that I know went into writing them—especially
> considering some of the views that have been expressed on this email thread.
>
>
>
> Thank you all (I can’t name you all) who have shared research and teaching
> materials, offered support to our international students, and publicly and
> privately advocated for our international students.
>
>
>
> Let me say this clearly and unequivocally: we will provide no space for
> oppression in the ATTW forum or within the organization. This includes
> oppressive rhetoric—language, “dialogue,” symbols, values or beliefs.
> Systemically (and systematically) marginalized folks—which include our
> international students—will not be made to feel less valuable or
> expendable. And right now (and as always), we are navigating the academy
> while dealing with intersecting oppression from within our institutions and
> in our day-to-day lives (during a global pandemic, no less). ATTW has a
> code of ethics that makes clear our responsibilities to our students (ALL
> OF OUR STUDENTS), to our field, to practitioners and beyond. Our code of
> ethics dictates that we acknowledge our responsibilities and put them into
> practice in good faith.
>
>
>
> That aside, I am personally committed to anti-racist, anti-oppressive
> practices in our organizations and our spaces and places of practices
> (including our classrooms). I’d like to think everyone in our field is.
> But, I am aware that academia is often plagued by neoliberal, racist,
> ableist, xenophobic, patriarchal, heteronormative (yes, all of that and
> more) views that masquerade as objective and neutral “dialogue” and
> “debate.”
>
>
>
> There is no debate or dialogue about the value of people, the right of
> people to live a life unencumbered by bias and hate, the right of people to
> feel protected, safe, healthy, and heard. Those are not debates. What makes
> me so very tired is that we have to keep saying this! Every time another
> marginalized group speaks out (whether international students, BIPOC,
> nonbinary folks, trans folks, disabled folks and so on) we have to do the
> labor of explaining why folks:
>
> -should support and advocate for and with us after genuinely listening to
> us
>
> -should not debate our humanity, protection, safety, and right to do more
> than just survive
>
> -should see and celebrate difference
>
> -should not capitalize on our pain and suffering with CFPs and the like
> during times of our crisis
>
> -should create and protect spaces for marginalized voices to be heard and
> privileged
>
> -should acknowledge, value, cite, and publish our research
>
> -should resist status quo, business-as-usual practices in our classrooms,
> orgs, and institutions
>
> -should make sure our assignments, course outcomes and activities are
> justice-oriented and ethically sound (thank you for the sharing of
> materials here!)
>
> -should do more than just issue statements of support
>
> -should use your imagination to do more, do better, BE BETTER!
>
>
>
> Why? Because our lives and our livelihood are at stake!
>
>
>
> These are not rhetorical questions that we are dealing with (What do we
> “do” with international students? What do we mean when we say Black Lives
> Matter? What do we think about land acknowledgements? Should we advocate
> for gender neutral bathrooms on our campuses?). Yes, pedagogical approaches
> and theoretical frames are important. But, this moves beyond pedagogical
> approaches and theoretical frameworks. This is about more than just
> espoused institutional and organizational values. It’s about our lives!
> This is not about making mistakes. We all do that (and I do indeed
> acknowledge that we learn from mistakes and can be better). I want folks to
> call out my mistakes so* I *can do better. None of us are experts in
> everything (and I’d argue that NONE of us are experts in social justice—or
> we wouldn’t be having these same discussions because we would have had this
> figured out). But this conversation that we are having right now,
> fundamentally—this conversation is about engaging in ways that don’t assume
> that arguments about politics are somehow separate from arguments about
> what happens in our lives—what happens *TO* us.
>
>
>
> Our personal is political.
>
>
>
> Sweta just wrote a kindly worded email to our list. She is a graduate
> student. She is an international student. Her positioning is precarious and
> she is keenly aware of the powerful voices that read this list (scholars
> who might have an impact on her career, the success of her publications,
> her mentorship opportunities, even her earning potential in the form of
> salary, etc.). Despite the precarity that she is in, she has had to take
> time to write this list to express her concerns about what is going on in
> our field (and in our institutions) and how this is playing out on our
> list. She could be researching. She could be writing. She could be taking
> care of herself, but she is writing to us! This impacts her life!
>
>
>
> If we say that we are a humanistic field, let’s try really valuing human
> life and human dignity and putting those espoused beliefs into practice in
> our organizations, classrooms, institutions, and areas of influence. Let’s
> try reflecting on the ways we can do better individually and as a field.
> Let’s try radical honesty (read Dr. Cecilia Shelton’s "Shifting out of
> Neutral") in our classrooms, in our organizations and also being radically
> honest about where and when we fall short. Let’s try a collective and
> coalitional approach to thinking through solutions for making our field
> genuinely more inclusive, safe for all,  and more welcoming.
>
>
>
> In solidarity,
> Natasha
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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>    1. Re: the ICE memo on international students
>       (Karabinus, Alisha Dianne)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:43:11 +0000
> From: "Karabinus, Alisha Dianne" <akarabin at purdue.edu>
> To: Chris Lindgren <lindgren at vt.edu>, "attw-l at attw.org"
>         <attw-l at attw.org>
> Subject: Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
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> Chris, I wanted to echo the thank-yous for sending this out. I just got a
> chance to dig into this more and it?s a deeply interesting activity with a
> great reading alongside.
>
>
> From: ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Chris Lindgren <
> lindgren at vt.edu>
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2020 at 8:46 AM
> To: "Obrien, April" <aprilobrien at shsu.edu>, "attw-l at attw.org" <
> attw-l at attw.org>
> Subject: Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I wanted to write my support for international students. I can't think of
> a more prominent role as an educator than the extension of care and
> practice of justice.
>
> I also wanted to share my appreciation for the response by our leadership
> and other ATTW members here. Thank you!
>
> And, in the spirit of the original intent in sharing the memo, I'll share
> a related anti-racist activity for those who teach content strategy.
>
> This lesson focuses on introducing students to 1) how content strategy
> isn't a neutral practice; 2) requires research and knowledge about
> social-political contexts and issues linked to the organization; and 3) how
> content strategists can develop anti-racist content audit metrics to
> address issues of racism. These are all goals that are seriously lacking in
> the currently available scholarship and resources.
>
> I use the DHS ICE website<
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> > as a case of racist content prioritization. My students and I analyzed
> it's content priorities on both English and Spanish sites last semester and
> found some despicable choices within minutes. Just as a quick example,
>
>   *   The content itself has notable issues, which can be placed into
> context by preparing research about immigration and interrogating the
> oppressive use of the illegal/legal binary that frames the entire site's
> content. This helps me guide a conversation about the importance of social,
> cultural and political knowledge within the scope of TPC work.
>   *   Regarding content prioritization, note how numerous content tabs are
> removed from the Spanish version of the site, including the "How do I?"
> tab. Students noticed how this tab included career opportunities and other
> content, which, when contrasted against the complete removal of it on the
> Spanish version of the site, highlights their racist bent that hinges on
> user language literacy.
> I paired it with the chapter on "Oppression" from Moore, Howard, and
> Jones' book, and a modified table from their TCQ article, "Disrupting the
> past to disrupt the future" dubbed "Tenets of inclusive work." This way,
> students could take insights from the chapter and activity to develop their
> own content audit metrics informed by anti-racist goals, which is the major
> project that I use this activity to prepare them to perform next.
>
> Solidarity to everyone. I appreciate the anti-racist goal-making and
> practices that our field is producing and advocating. That's where my heart
> and energy is working too.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
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> Assistant Professor of Technical Communication & Data Visualization
> Department of English
> Virginia Tech
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:43 AM Obrien, April <aprilobrien at shsu.edu
> <mailto:aprilobrien at shsu.edu>> wrote:
>
> I just want to verbalize my support for all the international students and
> POC (those of who are a part of ATTW and all else as well) and say that YOU
> ARE WELCOME here. Collectively, as a nation and as academics, we are
> responsible for the well being of all our people.
>
> _________________
>
> Dr. April O'Brien
> Assistant Professor
> Technical Communication
> Department of English
> Sam Houston State University
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>
>
> On Jul 9, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Temptaous Mckoy <temptaous56 at gmail.com<mailto:
> temptaous56 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hey Everyone!!
> Cagle and Cana, thank you for speaking up here. I would like to mention, I
> was a bit thrown off to see a colleague suggest they are not responsible
> for the overall well being and educational outcomes for international
> students. Elizabeth, would you mind speaking more to what you mean here? I
> do not want to misunderstand your ideas.
>
> Temptaous
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:46 PM Cana Itchuaqiyaq <croscana at isu.edu<mailto:
> croscana at isu.edu>> wrote:
> Hello,
> This conversation is teetering on the edge of being on the level of some
> of the racist and xenophobic threads on the wpa-l.
>
> As Dr. Dragga notes, this memo is a great case study of technical
> communication?s effect on populations.
>
> Please do not make the professional spaces in our field unsafe for
> international scholars.
>
> In solidarity,
> Cana Uluak Itchuaqiyaq
> Tribal member, Noorvik Native Community
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:30 PM Cagle, Lauren E. <lauren.cagle at uky.edu
> <mailto:lauren.cagle at uky.edu>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Joseph, I just want to be clear I understand you. Are you suggesting that
> international students are gaming immigration status to the detriment of US
> workers, and therefore the current ICE rule is acceptable?
>
> Cagle
>
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> From: ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org<mailto:attw-l-bounces at attw.org>> on
> behalf of Joseph Jeyaraj <jeyarajjoseph at yahoo.com<mailto:
> jeyarajjoseph at yahoo.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:51 PM
> To: Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <e-tebeaux at tamu.edu<mailto:e-tebeaux at tamu.edu>>;
> attw-l at attw.org<mailto:attw-l at attw.org <attw-l at attw.org>> <attw-l at attw.org
> <mailto:attw-l at attw.org>>; Kain, Donna <KAIND at ecu.edu<mailto:KAIND at ecu.edu
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> Subject: Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>
> CAUTION: External Sender
>
> International students currently use the OPT as a transitional period to
> get hired legally and then, while on an OPT, apply for the H-1B to change
> immigrations status, I believe.
>
> Joseph
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 03:46:51 PM EDT, Kain, Donna <kaind at ecu.edu
> <mailto:kaind at ecu.edu>> wrote:
>
>
> Respectfully, if we have responsibility for any of our students'
> educational outcomes, then we have responsibility for all our students'
> educational outcomes. (Our accrediting agency seems to think we are
> responsible.) As far as relying on international students to stay afloat,
> that's above my pay grade. I'm concerned about the students who are here,
> not why they're here.
>
> Harvard and MIT are suing:
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> Harvard, pictured here, joined MIT in suing the Trump administration over
> a rule barring international students from coming to the United States to
> attend colleges offering only online classes.
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>
> ________________________________
> Donna Kain, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Director of Undergraduate Studies
> Department of English, East Carolina University
> 252-737-2705
> 2202 Bate Building
> Mail Stop 555
> kaind at ecu.edu<mailto:kaind at ecu.edu <kaind at ecu.edu>>
> Go English!
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tebeaux, Elizabeth D <e-tebeaux at tamu.edu<mailto:e-tebeaux at tamu.edu>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 2:24 PM
> To: Kain, Donna <KAIND at ecu.edu<mailto:KAIND at ecu.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>
> This email originated from outside ECU.
>
> No we are not. They have to achieve on their own.  Accrediting agencies
> require DE support services.  We have resident support services, but we are
> not responsible for their welfare and educational outcomes.
>
> I believe that universities have relied too long in intl students.  With
> the coming student shortage,   Colleges will have to cope or close.
> Providing DE programs for US  working adults?graduate and certificate?is
> the way to go. That?s a deep market.
>
> Elizabeth Tebeaux
> ATTW Fellow/
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kain, Donna <KAIND at ecu.edu<mailto:
> KAIND at ecu.edu>> wrote:
> Those are possible explanations. However, as long as we invite students to
> this country to study, we have a responsibility for their overall welfare
> and educational outcomes.
>
>
> ________________________________
> Donna Kain, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Director of Undergraduate Studies
> Department of English, East Carolina University
> 252-737-2705
> 2202 Bate Building
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> Go English!
>
> ________________________________
> From: ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org<mailto:attw-l-bounces at attw.org>> on
> behalf of Joseph Jeyaraj <jeyarajjoseph at yahoo.com<mailto:
> jeyarajjoseph at yahoo.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:30 AM
> To: attw-l at attw.org<mailto:attw-l at attw.org <attw-l at attw.org>> <
> attw-l at attw.org<mailto:attw-l at attw.org>>; Dragga, Sam <sam.dragga at ttu.edu
> <mailto:sam.dragga at ttu.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [ATTW-L] the ICE memo on international students
>
> This email originated from outside ECU.
>
>
> The ICE memo likely is in keeping with the administration's policy of
> protecting American jobs.
>
> The top two contributing countries for international students are India
> (from India the number currently, if I am right, may be close to 200,000)
> and China (possibly higher than India's) and it is the understanding that
> many of them post graduation move on to OPT and then H-1B.
>
> The H-1 B is meant to bring in overseas workers for filling in jobs that
> cannot be filled by US nationals, but American workers have argued that
> that is not the case.
>
> In addition, the Obama administration also allowed the H-4 (spousal visa)
> to be used as a work visa (possibly in 2015) and currently there may be
> around 127,000 or so who have entered the US job market as a result.
>
> The above is in addition to jobs outsourced. (If I am right, a few years
> ago IBM's biggest workforce of possibly 120,000 or so may have been India.)
>
> Because of Covid-19 and high unemployment levels, I think, the
> administration has put a stop on processing all work visas (H-1B and and
> other types as well I think, including the H-4).
>
> Joseph
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 02:54:08 PM EDT, Dragga, Sam <sam.dragga at ttu.edu
> <mailto:sam.dragga at ttu.edu>> wrote:
>
>
> If you are looking for a striking example of technical writing with a
> direct impact on your classrooms, consider the memo released yesterday by
> the US Department of Homeland Security (
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> >).
>
> The memo explains to college administrators that their international
> (nonimmigrant) students musttake either onsite courses or a mix of onsite
> and online courses in the Fall 2020 semester to remain in the United States.
>
> In addition to raising awareness of the extraordinary conditions for
> international students, the memo offers the opportunity to discuss clarity
> in writing (e.g., note the 33-word opening sentence in the 116-word opening
> paragraph but also the headings and numbered or bulleted lists).
>
> And given the experience of the Spring 2020 semester and the ongoing
> COVID-19 crisis, the memo raises ethical questions about putting the
> following key piece of information in a 63-word sentence in the middle of a
> 151-word paragraph on page 2 of a 3-page memo [italics mine]:
>
> If a school changes its operational stance mid-semester, and as a result a
> nonimmigrant student switches to only online classes, or a nonimmigrant
> student changes their course selections, and as a result, ends up taking an
> entirely online course load, schools are reminded that nonimmigrant
> students within the United States are not permitted to take a full course
> of study through online classes.
>
> Sam
> Sam Dragga
> Professor Emeritus, Texas Tech University
> Editor,Technical Communication
> sam.dragga at ttu.edu<mailto:sam.dragga at ttu.edu <sam.dragga at ttu.edu>>
> 1-806-543-6099
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