[ATTW-L] [External] Re: Advice on grant writing textbooks

Tue Feb 20 17:58:40 UTC 2024

I too used Rich's proposal writing text last semester that he graciously
supplied, and I look forward to the new edition. He is not the first author
to flee Allyn & Bacon.
Tim

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:44 AM Huiling Ding <hding at ncsu.edu> wrote:

> You are absolutely correct, Steve!
>
> Thank you, Rick, for making Writing Proposals 2e available for free to
> faculty and students. I am sure many of us have benefited from using your
> excellent book and look forward to seeing Writing Proposals 3e in print
> soon with AI applications incorporated into the grant writing workflow.
>
> All the best.
>
> Huiling
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:33 AM Stephen Bernhardt <sab at udel.edu> wrote:
>
>> A model of professional, collegial behavior.
>>
>> Steve Bernhardt
>> Bayside DE
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:26 AM Johnson, Richard D <rjohnso at purdue.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the call out, Huiling,
>>>
>>> Because of this conversation on the ATTW listserv, many people have been
>>> asking about the availability of Writing Proposals. So, I'll speak up at
>>> the risk of sounding self-promotional.
>>>
>>> Writing Proposals, 3e, should be available for the Fall semester from a
>>> new publisher. Also, I have been making Writing Proposals 2e available for
>>> free to faculty and students, if people want to use it in their classes. I
>>> can share a PDF version through Google Drive with anyone who asks. (Please
>>> respond directly to me, so we aren't junking up the ATTW listserv.)
>>>
>>> Here's what happened. The original publisher was selling 2e for a
>>> prohibitively high price, so I told them I would not develop Writing
>>> Proposals, 3e, if they planned to charge so much for the book. The 2e was
>>> still selling quite well, but I couldn't stomach the idea that students
>>> were paying so much for a paperback book that was getting out of date.
>>>
>>> When they wouldn't agree to a much lower price, I asked for the
>>> copyright back.
>>>
>>> The final draft of Writing Today, 3e, is now finished. Paul Hunter has
>>> joined me as a co-author. In this new edition, we incorporated artificial
>>> intelligence as a tool for writing and designing proposals and grants,
>>> along with many other new issues and strategies.
>>>
>>> I've been writing, editing, and consulting on proposals and grants for
>>> many years, but I'm really excited about what's happening right now in this
>>> area. The new edition tries to capture these emerging developments, even
>>> though we're all just taking educated guesses about the full capabilities
>>> of generative AI.
>>>
>>> I'm also willing to share any of my classroom materials (syllabi,
>>> assignments, worksheets, etc.) if people want them.
>>>
>>> Proposals and Grants has always been one of my favorite courses to
>>> teach. If you aren't offering this course at your university, I highly
>>> recommend proposing it. This course is always in high demand on college
>>> campuses.
>>>
>>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>>>
>>> Professor Richard Johnson-Sheehan
>>>
>>> Department of English
>>>
>>> Purdue University
>>>
>>> 500 Oval Dr.
>>>
>>> 428 Heavilon Hall
>>>
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>>>
>>> *rjohnso at purdue.edu <rjohnso at purdue.edu>*
>>>
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>>>
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>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Huiling Ding <
>>> hding at ncsu.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 4:15 PM
>>> *To:* Rice, Rich <Rich.Rice at ttu.edu>
>>> *Cc:* Attw-l at attw.org <Attw-l at attw.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
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>>> Hi Luke,
>>>
>>> I find Richard Johnson-Sheehan's (2008) Writing Proposals helpful
>>> because of its focus on rhetorical analysis.
>>>
>>> All the best.
>>>
>>> Huiling
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:25 PM Rice, Rich <Rich.Rice at ttu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Karsh/Fox is good. I find ATTW's Mikelonis/Betsinger/Kampf still great.
>>> There's a need for an update to that book, and I'm working on that,
>>> actually. Please stay tuned. Happy to share my syllabus, too; please email
>>> me off-list at rich.rice at ttu.edu.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
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>>> Professor, Technical Communication & Rhetoric
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>>> dubinsky at vt.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 1:08 PM
>>> *To:* Carnegie, Teena <tcarnegie at ewu.edu>; Luke Thominet <
>>> lthomine at fiu.edu>; Attw-l at attw.org <Attw-l at attw.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
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>>> Hi Luke,
>>>
>>> Teena's recommendations are good ones. I've used the Karsh and Fox book
>>> several times along with examples from Candid  (formerly the Foundation
>>> Center).
>>>
>>> Prior to using it, I found the Foundation Center's *Guide to Proposal
>>> Writing (last ed was 6th in 2012) *offered good advice.  For examples,
>>> even if a bit old,  older books from the Foundation Center (*Guide to
>>> Writing Proposals* and *After the Grant*) also proved useful,
>>> particularly if some students are working in nonprofits or planning to do
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Every time I've taught the course (since 2002, when I initiated it in
>>> our program), we've had community partners. They found the books spoke to
>>> their experiences and were easy to use in consultation with students.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> James M. Dubinsky, PhD
>>> Associate Professor, Director, Professional and Technical Writing Program
>>> Co-Chair, VT Veterans in Society Initiative
>>> Fellow & Past President, Association for Business Communication (ABC)
>>>
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>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Carnegie, Teena <
>>> tcarnegie at ewu.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 12:51 PM
>>> *To:* Luke Thominet <lthomine at fiu.edu>; Attw-l at attw.org <Attw-l at attw.org
>>> >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
>>>
>>>
>>> I use “The only grant-writing book you will ever need” by Karsh and Fox.
>>> The information is very good and the text is easy to read. It was also
>>> available as an inclusive e-book in Canvas, so it was easy for students to
>>> access. It does not include examples or models, so it does need some
>>> additional resources.
>>>
>>> Candid.org has examples at
>>>
>>> https://learning.candid.org/resources/sample-documents/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Teena Carnegie, Ph.D.
>>>
>>> Director, BA in Technical Communication
>>>
>>> Department of English and Philosophy
>>>
>>> Eastern Washington University
>>>
>>> Past-President, CPTSC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> *On Behalf Of *Luke Thominet
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2024 10:52 AM
>>> *To:* Attw-l at attw.org
>>> *Subject:* [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings Colleagues,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was recently asked to teach our grant writing course for this upcoming
>>> summer. As some background, it is a masters-level course, but the students
>>> probably will not have prior grant writing experience. We will meet in
>>> person for six weeks. Enrollment typically includes students from our
>>> Master's in Writing and Rhetoric as well as from graduate degrees in other
>>> departments. We will also have community partners for the course, so the
>>> focus will be on grant writing for non-profits rather than academic
>>> research funding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I need to make a textbook decision by next week, so I
>>> would greatly appreciate any recommendations you have. Additionally, if
>>> anyone has course syllabi or other resources you would be willing to share,
>>> that would be tremendously helpful as I structure this course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your expertise and advice!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Luke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
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