[ATTW-L] [External] Re: Advice on grant writing textbooks

Thu Feb 22 14:53:11 UTC 2024

Hi Luke and all,

I teach a nonprofit-engaged version of Grant and Proposal writing for MA
students, and have found that students really like the book I've been
using, which has not yet been mentioned in this conversation: Howlett and
Bourque's *Getting funded: The complete guide to writing grant proposals
<https://www.bvtpublishing.com/book/1197>. *It works well as a core text,
especially when supplemented with some chapters from other readings (here's the
list <https://lisadush.com/wrd-526-aq23/> from this autumn's course).

I'm also very glad to hear that we'll soon get a new edition of *Writing
proposals*! The first two chapters of that book have been so helpful as
early readings that establish a rhetorical approach to grant writing.

Best,
Lisa

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:01 PM Timothy Giles <tgiles at georgiasouthern.edu>
wrote:

> I too used Rich's proposal writing text last semester that he graciously
> supplied, and I look forward to the new edition. He is not the first author
> to flee Allyn & Bacon.
> Tim
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:44 AM Huiling Ding <hding at ncsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> You are absolutely correct, Steve!
>>
>> Thank you, Rick, for making Writing Proposals 2e available for free to
>> faculty and students. I am sure many of us have benefited from using your
>> excellent book and look forward to seeing Writing Proposals 3e in print
>> soon with AI applications incorporated into the grant writing workflow.
>>
>> All the best.
>>
>> Huiling
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:33 AM Stephen Bernhardt <sab at udel.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> A model of professional, collegial behavior.
>>>
>>> Steve Bernhardt
>>> Bayside DE
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:26 AM Johnson, Richard D <rjohnso at purdue.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for the call out, Huiling,
>>>>
>>>> Because of this conversation on the ATTW listserv, many people have
>>>> been asking about the availability of Writing Proposals. So, I'll speak up
>>>> at the risk of sounding self-promotional.
>>>>
>>>> Writing Proposals, 3e, should be available for the Fall semester from a
>>>> new publisher. Also, I have been making Writing Proposals 2e available for
>>>> free to faculty and students, if people want to use it in their classes. I
>>>> can share a PDF version through Google Drive with anyone who asks. (Please
>>>> respond directly to me, so we aren't junking up the ATTW listserv.)
>>>>
>>>> Here's what happened. The original publisher was selling 2e for a
>>>> prohibitively high price, so I told them I would not develop Writing
>>>> Proposals, 3e, if they planned to charge so much for the book. The 2e was
>>>> still selling quite well, but I couldn't stomach the idea that students
>>>> were paying so much for a paperback book that was getting out of date.
>>>>
>>>> When they wouldn't agree to a much lower price, I asked for the
>>>> copyright back.
>>>>
>>>> The final draft of Writing Today, 3e, is now finished. Paul Hunter has
>>>> joined me as a co-author. In this new edition, we incorporated artificial
>>>> intelligence as a tool for writing and designing proposals and grants,
>>>> along with many other new issues and strategies.
>>>>
>>>> I've been writing, editing, and consulting on proposals and grants for
>>>> many years, but I'm really excited about what's happening right now in this
>>>> area. The new edition tries to capture these emerging developments, even
>>>> though we're all just taking educated guesses about the full capabilities
>>>> of generative AI.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also willing to share any of my classroom materials (syllabi,
>>>> assignments, worksheets, etc.) if people want them.
>>>>
>>>> Proposals and Grants has always been one of my favorite courses to
>>>> teach. If you aren't offering this course at your university, I highly
>>>> recommend proposing it. This course is always in high demand on college
>>>> campuses.
>>>>
>>>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>>>>
>>>> Professor Richard Johnson-Sheehan
>>>>
>>>> Department of English
>>>>
>>>> Purdue University
>>>>
>>>> 500 Oval Dr.
>>>>
>>>> 428 Heavilon Hall
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *rjohnso at purdue.edu <rjohnso at purdue.edu>*
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Huiling Ding <
>>>> hding at ncsu.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 4:15 PM
>>>> *To:* Rice, Rich <Rich.Rice at ttu.edu>
>>>> *Cc:* Attw-l at attw.org <Attw-l at attw.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
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>>>> Hi Luke,
>>>>
>>>> I find Richard Johnson-Sheehan's (2008) Writing Proposals helpful
>>>> because of its focus on rhetorical analysis.
>>>>
>>>> All the best.
>>>>
>>>> Huiling
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:25 PM Rice, Rich <Rich.Rice at ttu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Karsh/Fox is good. I find ATTW's Mikelonis/Betsinger/Kampf still great.
>>>> There's a need for an update to that book, and I'm working on that,
>>>> actually. Please stay tuned. Happy to share my syllabus, too; please email
>>>> me off-list at rich.rice at ttu.edu.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Director, Center for Global Communication
>>>> Professor, Technical Communication & Rhetoric
>>>> +1 806.834.0573 | rich.rice at ttu.edu
>>>> 604 Indiana Avenue Lubbock, TX 79409-5004
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Dubinsky, Jim <
>>>> dubinsky at vt.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 1:08 PM
>>>> *To:* Carnegie, Teena <tcarnegie at ewu.edu>; Luke Thominet <
>>>> lthomine at fiu.edu>; Attw-l at attw.org <Attw-l at attw.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
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>>>> Hi Luke,
>>>>
>>>> Teena's recommendations are good ones. I've used the Karsh and Fox book
>>>> several times along with examples from Candid  (formerly the Foundation
>>>> Center).
>>>>
>>>> Prior to using it, I found the Foundation Center's *Guide to Proposal
>>>> Writing (last ed was 6th in 2012) *offered good advice.  For examples,
>>>> even if a bit old,  older books from the Foundation Center (*Guide to
>>>> Writing Proposals* and *After the Grant*) also proved useful,
>>>> particularly if some students are working in nonprofits or planning to do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> Every time I've taught the course (since 2002, when I initiated it in
>>>> our program), we've had community partners. They found the books spoke to
>>>> their experiences and were easy to use in consultation with students.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>> James M. Dubinsky, PhD
>>>> Associate Professor, Director, Professional and Technical Writing
>>>> Program
>>>> Co-Chair, VT Veterans in Society Initiative
>>>> Fellow & Past President, Association for Business Communication (ABC)
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Carnegie, Teena <
>>>> tcarnegie at ewu.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2024 12:51 PM
>>>> *To:* Luke Thominet <lthomine at fiu.edu>; Attw-l at attw.org <
>>>> Attw-l at attw.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use “The only grant-writing book you will ever need” by Karsh and
>>>> Fox. The information is very good and the text is easy to read. It was also
>>>> available as an inclusive e-book in Canvas, so it was easy for students to
>>>> access. It does not include examples or models, so it does need some
>>>> additional resources.
>>>>
>>>> Candid.org has examples at
>>>>
>>>> https://learning.candid.org/resources/sample-documents/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teena Carnegie, Ph.D.
>>>>
>>>> Director, BA in Technical Communication
>>>>
>>>> Department of English and Philosophy
>>>>
>>>> Eastern Washington University
>>>>
>>>> Past-President, CPTSC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> *On Behalf Of *Luke Thominet
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2024 10:52 AM
>>>> *To:* Attw-l at attw.org
>>>> *Subject:* [ATTW-L] Advice on grant writing textbooks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was recently asked to teach our grant writing course for this
>>>> upcoming summer. As some background, it is a masters-level course, but the
>>>> students probably will not have prior grant writing experience. We will
>>>> meet in person for six weeks. Enrollment typically includes students from
>>>> our Master's in Writing and Rhetoric as well as from graduate degrees in
>>>> other departments. We will also have community partners for the course, so
>>>> the focus will be on grant writing for non-profits rather than academic
>>>> research funding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I need to make a textbook decision by next week, so I
>>>> would greatly appreciate any recommendations you have. Additionally, if
>>>> anyone has course syllabi or other resources you would be willing to share,
>>>> that would be tremendously helpful as I structure this course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your expertise and advice!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Luke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Luke Thominet, PhD, (he, him, his)
>>>> *Associate Professor*, *Department of English*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Associate Director, Writing and Rhetoric Program *[image: Florida
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