[ATTW-L] technical editing class -- hard-copy markup?

Tue Jan 10 20:06:59 UTC 2023

Dear All,

I have been following the conversation and just wanted to add that
depending on the group of students I'm working with I like to incorporate
hardcopy activities to in-class time. Recently my students are
grammar-nerds and love to get into the weeds of editing so I use in-class
time to let them get this energy out and then as we discuss it. We never
get assigned computer classrooms so for the sake accessibility I bring in
hard copy exercises (usually from the aforementioned Copyeditors Workbook
which our library has available online). So while I don't have a unit on
handwritten editing, we read the chapter early in the semester and then
practice it throughout the semester because as other folks have said for
the most part everything is being done digitally and while some folks who
have been editing are still doing hard copy, most new folks being hired are
not expected to do so.

Thanks to everyone adding to the convo and for the resources being shared.

-Victor

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 12:03 PM Grover, Stephen <david.grover at park.edu>
wrote:

> Friends,
>
>
>
> I also teach a professional and technical editing class, and I also use *The
> Copyeditor’s Handbook* along with *The Copyeditor’s Workbook* as key
> texts in the class. I echo others that the discussion of on-page and
> on-screen editing in those books is useful, and will add that the
> *Workbook* has a good exercise for handwritten editing with an excellent
> answer key that students can check their work against (I have scans of this
> if anyone would like to see it).
>
>
>
> Because my class is listed at the 200-level, is so condensed (8 weeks,
> fully asynchronous), and is meant to serve students from lots of majors, *The
> Copyeditor’s Handbook/Workbook* is the only instruction and practice
> students get with handwritten editing in my class. The rest of the class
> focuses on on-screen editing and collaboration, mostly over Google Docs.
>
>
>
> One other thing that might be of use to you, Jonathan, as you redevelop
> your course, and to others who teach this. In developing my own course for
> asynchronous delivery, I ended up writing several short articles on
> editing-related topics that I couldn’t find good readings for, and I
> published them on my open-educational resource site, Grover’s English, in
> the “Technical Communication”
> <http://groversenglish.com/technicalcommunication.php> section:
>
>
>
>    - *“Types of Editing”* lays out for students the different major
>    branches of the editing profession and discusses what employment looks like
>    in each.
>    - *“Levels of Edit”* is a brief and accessible introduction to the
>    concept of editing levels and how I, as a working editor, use them.
>    - *“The Editorial Mindset” *attempts to describe the cognitive space
>    editors inhabit when working and gives several tips students can use to
>    develop their own mindsets.
>    - *“How I Accidentally Became an Editor”* describes my own path to the
>    profession (with a funny story about how I learned the proofreaders’ marks
>    to fake my way into a job!) as an example of the often sideways nature of
>    finding a career.
>    - *“Transmittal Letter Tips” *presents two real-life transmittal
>    letters I sent to clients and discusses how and why they work.
>    - *“Editing with an In-House Style” *explains what an in-house style
>    is and how it is usually built from a broad foundation (like Chicago) with
>    ever more specific layers to serve house needs.
>
>
>
> These are completely free to use and are at stable URLs that won’t change,
> so please feel free to incorporate them into your classes or use them as
> supplements if you find them useful. If you have suggestions for their
> improvement, I’d love to hear them, and if you have suggestions for
> additional articles or would like to write one yourself, I’d love to hear
> that too.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
>
>
> *Stephen David Grover, PhD*
>
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> *From: *ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Kain, Donna <
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> *Date: *Monday, January 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM
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> *Subject: *Re: [ATTW-L] technical editing class -- hard-copy markup?
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> *The Copyeditor's Handbook *by Amy Einsohn and Marilyn Schwartz is the
> book I've been using for years. I do know editors who use hardcopy editing
> in some contexts, especially if that's the best way to work with authors.
> Some of the students in my undergrad editing and publishing class aren't
> sure what kind of editing they'll be doing.
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> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Thanks for kickstarting this thread! *The Copyeditor's Handbook* (2019)
> by Amy Einsohn and Marilyn Schwartz has a very compelling discussion about
> marking by hand: Marking by hand is still practiced in many publishing
> contexts and used in many pre-employment skills assessments (as Dina Lopez
> just noted!) especially for freelance editors. The authors also list
> several instances when electronic copyediting is not an option.
>
>
>
> My students last Spring commented that they really like the copymarking
> module. Although I'm not clear about why they liked it, I will keep it in
> for now.
>
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>
> -Allison
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> Iowa State University
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> *From:* ATTW-L <attw-l-bounces at attw.org> on behalf of Jonathan Arnett <
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> *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:16 PM
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> *Subject:* [ATTW-L] technical editing class -- hard-copy markup?
>
>
>
> Hi, colleagues.
>
> I have a question, and I'd like your input.
>
> I'm updating my Technical Editing class, and I'm pondering whether to
> keep or cut the unit on hard-copy markup. I taught this unit in years
> past to good effect, but now that most editing is done electronically, I
> wonder if hard-copy markup is a dead skill.
>
> If you were to (or if you actually do) teach a course on technical
> editing, would you teach hard-copy markup?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
> Jonathan Arnett
> Associate Professor of Technical Communication
> Department of Technical Communication & Interactive Design
> Kennesaw State University
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University of Florida
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